Godot has finally shown up - and he's selling vacuum cleaners and herbal products that help you "lose weight, gain weight or stay the same". He's also claiming to be a Devout Catholic. These are writings to bide the time until he leaves.
John ZmirakFine, Kevin O'Brien. If you consider that undercover journalists have anything in common with bishops who cover for pedophiles, you win the Pharisee mantle too. Why would Catholic bloggers spend months defaming prolife activists for something (a falsehood told to a killer, to stop him from killing) that they admit is a VENIAL SIN and accuse all who differ with them of being dissenters.... I will not speculate about their motives. Why spend energy and time denouncing venial sins? I will not lower myself to speculate about the motives of such people. God knows. And He will requite them justly.
Kevin O'BrienAs to defaming Lila Rose et. al. READ WHAT WE'VE BEEN WRITING. We have never defamed them. We have always said they are well-intentioned and if sinning sinning venially. We have never said that their lies are mortal sins. Read what we write and don't mischaracterize it, John.
John ZmirakCalling people "Liars for Jesus" and comparing them (as a columnist for Patheos did this week) with pedophile enablers is defamation. Parse it all you want, but if you deny it, you become the liar here.
Kevin O'BrienAll we're saying is what the Catechism and the Ordinary Magisterium says - LYING IS INTRINSICALLY EVIL. Period. If you don't like that, take it up with Jesus and His Church as He smites me and requites me justly.
Mark Scott AbelnIs this a debate about lying or is it really a debate about the Just War Doctrine? Clearly, many people seem to think about the issue in view of the latter.
However, I think it is important that we must avoid lying in little matters so as to build up the virtue of loving the truth. Many people, even Catholics, rationalize ‘little white lies’ and so they do not have the truth in them, which is a tragedy.
John ZmirakThose issues are precisely what is contested, and for you to pretend in the face of evidence that they have been settled--apparently, you're much more knowledgeable than Cardinal Schonbrun, who wrote the first edition of the Catechism that took the position I and Janet Smith and Peter Kreeft support--is dishonest.
John ZmirakWeather's column is contemptible. His comparison is slanderous. The pedophile enablers--most of whose evil work was NOT done by lying, but by abuse of authority and secrecy--in no way could have made a case that parents of victims, or the police, had "no right to the truth." So to compare Lila Rose to them is slander.
Kevin O'BrienLook, you have rejected the Ordinary Magisterium on this, but you claim you haven't, so neither of us will convince the other. What your side does need to do, however, is distance itself from those of you who are saying, "Jesus was a liar so I may lie to". That is horrific.
John ZmirakYou have pretended that Lila Rose was denying that the abortionists had a right to the truth of Christ, because she tried to stop them from carrying out their prior intention of mortal sin. How very well thought out.
Kevin O'BrienJohn, some of you are saying that Jesus lied and so we may lie too. Look at the comments of my blog and on Shea's blog. Some of you are saying that. You may not be, but it's all over the internet.