I swear I am not making this up.
A Facebook friend who refers to the Holocaust as "a historical CLAIM" said the following to me.
In other words, the Jews elected Kennedy and then the Jewish secret police assassinated Kennedy.
You can't make this stuff up.
Oh, and Mr. X is a rad trad Catholic. And yet all of my rad trad friends are telling me, "I have never met a Jew hater among Catholic traditionalists." Well, that's the ONLY PLACE I meet them.
A Facebook friend who refers to the Holocaust as "a historical CLAIM" said the following to me.
X: How can you say I am an anti-semite? What do you mean by "Jew"? What do you mean by "anti-semite"?
KEVIN: Someone told me that you believe that Obama won the election because the Jews wanted him to. If that's true, what do you mean by "Jew"?
X: Not a single president since WWII has won for any other reason. (inserts link to a website that blames the Jews for the Holocaust)
KEVIN: Do you want to take your comment and link down? I won't, as it proves my point, but it's making you look pretty bad, so you might want to.
X: I can believe in unicorns if I want to, can't I? So what if I say JFK was shot by the Massad? That's the freedom we have and enjoy by the blood shed by so many...
In other words, the Jews elected Kennedy and then the Jewish secret police assassinated Kennedy.
You can't make this stuff up.
Oh, and Mr. X is a rad trad Catholic. And yet all of my rad trad friends are telling me, "I have never met a Jew hater among Catholic traditionalists." Well, that's the ONLY PLACE I meet them.
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I don't care if my syllogism is false. I want the old mass back. Should not have messed with the mass.
Out of all the traditionalists that you know in person, how many have had anti-semitic views/
Now out of the traditionalists you know on the internet, how many harbor anti-semitic views? If your any bit like me and a lot of others, the numbers for the latter are a lot higher.
In the end, it is a problem no matter what venue it is on. But the venue is important, as it allows the problem to be identified and remedied appropriately. A problem that is endemic at the parish level requires a far different response than one which is more limited (yet deeper with far more heat) in scope.
Here's how Tancred argues (bear with me) ...
"Furthermore, a hysterical Simcha Fisher utters a demand that there ought to be some kind of public outcry against the evils of anti-Semitism. We’ve noted in the past here on this blog that it’s difficult, if impossible, in great part because official mouthpieces don’t help much, that violations of Catholic doctrine, liturgical rubrics, veritable insults against Christ Himself, go unpunished and unanswered by those in positions of authority time and time again, while faithful priests are punished in turn, sometimes at the urging of people like NCR and Patheos bloggers. ..."
[Who is he talking about here? Our criticism of Fr. Corapi? What "faithful priests" are we bringing down?]
"... We expect that even if there is an official concern about unfounded charges of anti-Semitism by Neoconservative journalists ..."
[What the ??? If the bloggers he's referring to are anything, it ain't Neoconservative. And "unfounded" charges of antisemitism? Mr. Tancred, read my posts on this, read what my rad trad friends are saying about the Jews on Facebook, read your own stuff and tell me this is "unfounded".]
" ... we’re not sure how they would enforce a principle which isn’t part of the deposit of faith or if a canonical proceeding could handle such a thing."
[I may be a "moral dwarf", but Tancred is actually saying NOTHING IN CATHOLIC DOCTRINE PREVENTS JEW HATERS FROM HATING JEWS (when in fact everything in Catholic doctrine does) AND EVEN IF IT DID THERE'S NOTHING IN CANON LAW ABOUT IT! Unbelievable.]
"In any event, many real violations of doctrine take place virtually every day and go unpunished, so we can’t imagine how this charge of anti-semitism could be enforced even if it were the problem the often emotive Simcha Fisher insists it is."
[Tancred, I don't give a fig if a bishop condemns people like you and other antisemitics and apologists for Jew Haters. This is not a question for the Church hierarchy. It's a question for the normal and sane laity. It's time we got off our asses and showed you and your ilk the door. Bishops and priests? No, moms and dads and neighbors. Those are the people who should condemn you and those like you who are making room for and excusing this vile poison.]
In other words the gist of Tancred's argument is as follows - "It is wrong to get emotional about Jew haters when there are so many liturgical abuses going on and anyway Holocaust Denial is not a position contrary to Catholic dogma so why bring it up?"
Tancred then goes on in boldface to encourage his readers ("moral giants", I presume, as opposed to my readers)to complain to EWTN for publishing the National Catholic Register.
So, remember, friends, the problem is not antisemites in Traditionalism. The problem is the bloggers who point it out.
But speaking as a guy who grew up in a predominately Jewish neighborhood and was received into the Church by the priest who is the head of interfaith dialogue in my diocese, I don't see anything anti-semitic in the EF mass itself. The "perfidious Jews" prayer has been revised, and frankly, the EF's reverencr FAR outstrips anything I've seen at other masses. For a convert like me, the EF mass is the most edifying mass I've gone to.
Philip